Comments on: ADC2 Announced, But There’s A Catch http://andblogs.net/2009/05/adc2-announced-but-theres-a-catch/ Android News and Blogs Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:57:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Ed Burnette http://andblogs.net/2009/05/adc2-announced-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-3218 Ed Burnette Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:47:28 +0000 http://andblogs.net/?p=1974#comment-3218 I see your point but the fact is the rules are not yet settled. Continue to make your concerns known, as you have here, and maybe they can tweak the rules to both ensure freshness and allow source code to be revealed before the contest deadline. I see your point but the fact is the rules are not yet settled. Continue to make your concerns known, as you have here, and maybe they can tweak the rules to both ensure freshness and allow source code to be revealed before the contest deadline.

]]> By: Disconnect http://andblogs.net/2009/05/adc2-announced-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-3155 Disconnect Thu, 28 May 2009 11:46:59 +0000 http://andblogs.net/?p=1974#comment-3155 FYI (to everyone who seems to be following that line of thought) I never said they were banning open source libraries. Again, if an app has no source, its not open source. It doesn't prevent you from opening it <strong>after</strong> the contest. But it does mean that if you have a closed app that you spent half a year working on, you can just delay (and add more polish) and enter it in the contest. Open source apps, whether finished or not, are banned - the act of becoming open source (releasing the source) makes them ineligible. I'd love to know where the library red-herring comes from btw, so I can clarify. FYI (to everyone who seems to be following that line of thought) I never said they were banning open source libraries.

Again, if an app has no source, its not open source. It doesn’t prevent you from opening it after the contest. But it does mean that if you have a closed app that you spent half a year working on, you can just delay (and add more polish) and enter it in the contest.

Open source apps, whether finished or not, are banned – the act of becoming open source (releasing the source) makes them ineligible.

I’d love to know where the library red-herring comes from btw, so I can clarify.

]]> By: Shesh http://andblogs.net/2009/05/adc2-announced-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-3154 Shesh Thu, 28 May 2009 11:31:11 +0000 http://andblogs.net/?p=1974#comment-3154 I see no catch. There is a clear distinction between a library and an application. The article specifically talks of 'applications', and does not say we cannot use any 'library'. It says that the application should be unpublished and also should not be an upgrade of another published/submitted to ADC 1 application. e.g you could use the existing open source 'bar code scanning' library to create a 'new' application for a different kind of application than 'compare anywhere' for example. If that was the case we cannot take advantage of Google's Location based services, Motion sensing api's etc.,that would be like re-inventing the wheel, which is clearly not the goal of the exercise by Google. It is to enhance creativity given a basic minimum framework of libraries that drive the capabilities of a device. Also, I did not see any mention of releasing the source at http://code.google.com/android/adc/ (generally winning entries are property of the host, but in this case they have clearly mentioned the possibility of generating further revenue by submitting Lite versions that have a date of expiry. This is just to give full advantage to the developer whose application can be judged in its fullness.) I see no catch.
There is a clear distinction between a library and an application. The article specifically talks of ‘applications’, and does not say we cannot use any ‘library’. It says that the application should be unpublished and also should not be an upgrade of another published/submitted to ADC 1 application.
e.g you could use the existing open source ‘bar code scanning’ library to create a ‘new’ application for a different kind of application than ‘compare anywhere’ for example. If that was the case we cannot take advantage of Google’s Location based services, Motion sensing api’s etc.,that would be like re-inventing the wheel, which is clearly not the goal of the exercise by Google. It is to enhance creativity given a basic minimum framework of libraries that drive the capabilities of a device.
Also, I did not see any mention of releasing the source at http://code.google.com/android/adc/ (generally winning entries are property of the host, but in this case they have clearly mentioned the possibility of generating further revenue by submitting Lite versions that have a date of expiry. This is just to give full advantage to the developer whose application can be judged in its fullness.)

]]> By: Massimiliano Torromeo http://andblogs.net/2009/05/adc2-announced-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-3153 Massimiliano Torromeo Thu, 28 May 2009 07:54:26 +0000 http://andblogs.net/?p=1974#comment-3153 You are making a fuss out of nothing. I am totally pro opensource (as I published a couple of projects myself) like many other android users. Google is just trying to get fresh content in the market (and I like the idea), if I would like to enter a new (not yet published) open source app in the contest, I just need to code it and release the source at the same time of publishing. Using sourceforge/bazaar to publish the code before publishing the actual app is not a requirement of an opensource application... You are making a fuss out of nothing.
I am totally pro opensource (as I published a couple of projects myself) like many other android users.
Google is just trying to get fresh content in the market (and I like the idea), if I would like to enter a new (not yet published) open source app in the contest, I just need to code it and release the source at the same time of publishing.
Using sourceforge/bazaar to publish the code before publishing the actual app is not a requirement of an opensource application…

]]> By: lmjabreu http://andblogs.net/2009/05/adc2-announced-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-3150 lmjabreu Thu, 28 May 2009 01:57:31 +0000 http://andblogs.net/?p=1974#comment-3150 Oh I get it, it's like a contest, you can't know what other people are going to answer. Oh I get it, it’s like a contest, you can’t know what other people are going to answer.

]]> By: Disconnect http://andblogs.net/2009/05/adc2-announced-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-3149 Disconnect Thu, 28 May 2009 01:29:00 +0000 http://andblogs.net/?p=1974#comment-3149 Its a ban on open source apps. You cannot go, right now, to sf and create a new project (new app!) and enter it into the contest. (You can open your app -after- the contest. So - effectively - they are allowing -free- apps.) As far as what to do - instead of specifically including open source apps on the "we don't care" list, exempt apps with available source - so long as the project does not make apks available (on market, on the website or on alt markets) let them in. Google seems to think that occasional, partial releases and monster code drops count as "open source" and they are reinforcing that with this contest. Its a ban on open source apps. You cannot go, right now, to sf and create a new project (new app!) and enter it into the contest. (You can open your app -after- the contest. So – effectively – they are allowing -free- apps.)

As far as what to do – instead of specifically including open source apps on the “we don’t care” list, exempt apps with available source – so long as the project does not make apks available (on market, on the website or on alt markets) let them in.

Google seems to think that occasional, partial releases and monster code drops count as “open source” and they are reinforcing that with this contest.

]]> By: vitriolix http://andblogs.net/2009/05/adc2-announced-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-3148 vitriolix Thu, 28 May 2009 01:16:24 +0000 http://andblogs.net/?p=1974#comment-3148 "any app with available sources" right, key word there is available. It is simply a ban on any existing app, open source or not. They want fresh, newly created apps. It sounds like you are inferring they would disallow new apps that rely on open source libraries, but considering that the SDK itself is open source, that seems unlikely to be true. “any app with available sources” right, key word there is available. It is simply a ban on any existing app, open source or not. They want fresh, newly created apps. It sounds like you are inferring they would disallow new apps that rely on open source libraries, but considering that the SDK itself is open source, that seems unlikely to be true.

]]> By: Patrick http://andblogs.net/2009/05/adc2-announced-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-3147 Patrick Thu, 28 May 2009 00:58:32 +0000 http://andblogs.net/?p=1974#comment-3147 Just out of curiosity, what would you rather have them do? Just out of curiosity, what would you rather have them do?

]]> By: Disconnect http://andblogs.net/2009/05/adc2-announced-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-3145 Disconnect Wed, 27 May 2009 22:58:55 +0000 http://andblogs.net/?p=1974#comment-3145 If source has been released, thereby making it open source, it is ineligible for the contest. Yes, its an explicit ban on bazaar (as I said above) but it is also a ban on <strong>any</strong> app with available sources (aka open source apps) regardless of whether they have made a previous "actual" release or not. (Cathedral apps are, by definition, closed source prior to their first source code release.) If source has been released, thereby making it open source, it is ineligible for the contest. Yes, its an explicit ban on bazaar (as I said above) but it is also a ban on any app with available sources (aka open source apps) regardless of whether they have made a previous “actual” release or not. (Cathedral apps are, by definition, closed source prior to their first source code release.)

]]> By: vitriolix http://andblogs.net/2009/05/adc2-announced-but-theres-a-catch/comment-page-1/#comment-3144 vitriolix Wed, 27 May 2009 22:56:11 +0000 http://andblogs.net/?p=1974#comment-3144 You are conflating the license (open source) with the development style (bazaar). You are conflating the license (open source) with the development style (bazaar).

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